January 12, 2006
Shut Up!
People who need to STFU:
Pat Robertson. Every time you open your mouth, you score one for Satan. Shut up and quit telling everyone they deserve what they got you idiot.
Ted Kennedy. I could expound on this one for a while, but I'm just sick of his fat, pompus ass.
Lindsey GrahamNearly everyone on the judicial committee. If you're being mean enough to make a woman cry, and you aren't eve talking TO that woman, then you need to reconsider what you're saying.
Ray Nagin. You're an idiot. You've been an idiot forever, but Katrina really brought it out in you. You've got a snowball's chance in hell of getting reelected because the people that didn't hate you before certainly do now. Shut up and go out with a little dignity already.
Chuck Schumer. The sky is falling! The sky is falling!
Arnold Schwarzenegger. If you weren't the Terminator, no one would even notice the fact that you're Governor. I thought you ran as a Republican?
Judge Edward Cashman. The problem, you idiot, is that if you let him go, he's NOT going to get help, he's going to go rape more children. If that doesn't bother you, maybe we should lock the two of you up together and he can rape you for four years. Maybe then you'll have a different outlook on your sentencing.
I'm sure there are more, but I have to get back to work.
Update: OK. Thanks for the update on Graham. I'll admit I got hasty on that one.
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I love you guys, but seriously, Graham (R) wasn't calling anyone, say, a bigot. It was on the other side of the aisle with their double secret subpeonas to investigate someone else's papers and their assertions that ScAlito hates women, minorities and eats babies.
With you on Robertson, Kennedy, Nagin, et al.
Posted by: Brad at January 12, 2006 11:41 AM (LVVcX)
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I don't think Graham belongs on that list either, but everyone else richly deserves to be. Pat Robertson especially has become to the Right what Louis Farrakhan is to the Left--a sheer liability that you just can't jettison.
The Mrs. Alito incident illustrates the smear-fest that confirmation hearings have degenerated to. If I had to undergo one, I wouldn't take my friends with me any more than I'd ask them to sit in on my colonoscopy.
Posted by: ShannonKW at January 12, 2006 12:00 PM (dT1MB)
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I wonder if Robertson has ever read Job or Ecclesiastes?
Posted by: Rusty at January 12, 2006 12:01 PM (JQjhA)
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Or any other part of the Bible.
Posted by: Drew at January 12, 2006 12:02 PM (aMMC1)
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If they did - what would we blog about?
Posted by: hondo at January 12, 2006 12:35 PM (3aakz)
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I think Robertson is a stealth liberal. He is regularly quoted in the press when no one needs to hear anything he has to say, as what he says is usually stupid. One wonders why he plays into the hands of the liberals and leftists. It is as if he wants to help them.
Posted by: jesusland joe at January 12, 2006 03:49 PM (rUyw4)
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Excluding Arnie, that's a damn good list of people who need a bullet in the back of the head.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at January 12, 2006 04:22 PM (0yYS2)
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Lindsey Graham is a staunch supporter of Alito. He was sincerely apologizing to Alito's wife for the behavior of the others. That was simply when the damn broke for her. She was holding up pretty well and a simple act of kindness is was did it.
All the rest? I'm all over it.
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Al Qaeda vs. Islamic Army in Iraq?
We've heard periodic reports of native terrorists fighting foreign terrorists in Iraq, but this report via
Captain Ed is odd news, if true. The Islamic Army in Iraq is not just another 'insurgent' group. These are your hardcore headchoppers, hostage-takers, and civilian murderers.
These are the guys who recently murdered American civilian Ronald Schulz, and who have been implicated in the hostage taking of four Western peace activists. The group has, in fact, cooperated with al Qaeda in various operations in the past.
If The Islamic Army in Iraq has begun to fight with al Qaeda, then I'm afraid it is more likely a turf war than anything else. The news that other groups, which are more nationalist in orientation, though, fighting against al Qaeda, is probably more accurate. Der Spiegel:
According to an American and an Iraqi intelligence official, as well as Iraqi insurgents, clashes between Al Qaeda in Mesopotamia and Iraqi insurgent groups like the Islamic Army and Muhammad's Army have broken out in Ramadi, Husayba, Yusifiya, Dhuluiya and Karmah.
In town after town, Iraqis and Americans say, local Iraqi insurgents and tribal groups have begun trying to expel Al Qaeda's fighters, and, in some cases, kill them.
UPDATE: More from NY Times via
Lawhawk and
Say Anything:
In October, the two insurgents said in interviews, a group of local fighters from the Islamic Army gathered for an open-air meeting on a street corner in Taji, a city north of Baghdad.
Across from the Iraqis stood the men from Al Qaeda, mostly Arabs from outside Iraq. Some of them wore suicide belts. The men from the Islamic Army accused the Qaeda fighters of murdering their comrades.
“Al Qaeda killed two people from our group,” said an Islamic Army fighter who uses the nom de guerre Abu Lil and who claimed that he attended the meeting. “They repeatedly kill our people.”
The encounter ended angrily. A few days later, the insurgents said, Al Qaeda in Mesopotamia and the Islamic Army fought a bloody battle on the outskirts of town.
The battle, which the insurgents said was fought on Oct. 23, was one of several clashes between Al Qaeda and local Iraqi guerrilla groups that have broken out in recent months across the Sunni Triangle.
Like I said, turf war. This battle does not represent a turn of the tide against terrorists. That tide was turned long ago and has nothing to do with terrorist on terrorist bloodshed. It would be a lot like the Taliban turning on al Qaeda in Afghanistan. Whoever is the victor, the results would be the same.
Update II: Via James Joyner I read this over at Rantingprofs. I would simply add that The Islamic Army in Iraq and al Qaeda both share the same short-term goals (ousting the U.S.), intermediate goals (harsh Sunni sharia in Iraq), and long-term goals (restoration of caliphate). Both are salafiyist groups and are violent jihadis of the worst kind. I'll say it again, the dispute between the two groups is about who controls the new Iraq, not what that new Iraq should look like. Various pundits would do well if they had a cursory background of the terror organizations named in the article.
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Criminal thugs are the same the world over.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at January 12, 2006 10:08 AM (0yYS2)
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This isn't a new story though - Bill Roggio and others have been reporting for months that various insurgent groups and al Qaeda have been getting into red on red fights, with the US and coalition looking on in amusement.
That it appeared above the fold on the NYT front page is a big deal though. It would be a backhanded admission that al Qaeda is on the losing end of the conflict in Iraq.
Posted by: lawhawk at January 12, 2006 11:09 AM (eppTH)
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Here's hoping they wipe each other out.
Posted by: KG at January 12, 2006 11:57 AM (eRMCR)
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Regrettably, one of Saddam Hussein's only redeeming virtues was his secularism. Secularism in Iraq is doomed face backlash along with everything else the Iraqis hated about the old regime. The Sunnis are more conspicuous in this because they have the greater grudge against us, but I bet the Iraqi Shia are going the same way. Since their allies are better practiced and more motivated they'll be the worse source of terrorism in the long run.
Posted by: ShannonKW at January 12, 2006 02:29 PM (dT1MB)
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Regardless of how the Iraq war ends, the problem of a radical, resurgent Islam is not about to go away, and will likely get worse in most parts of the World. So I agree with ShannonKW on this, however I think the Sunni will still be the majority of the terrorists, mainly because they exist in huge numbers vis a vie the Shia.
I would recommend that we be observant in SE Asia, especially Malaysia, Indonesia and the Phillipines, as the Islamists have become very active in these areas. Another major cause of concern is Africa, where jihadists are training and indoctrinating the former moderate Muslims. The West will be in a long, hard fight for its survival. Right now, I doubt whether most people in the West are in any way ready to confront these people. Only in parts of the US and Australia is there the spine for a real fight.
Posted by: jesusland joe at January 12, 2006 04:04 PM (rUyw4)
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Hell Shannon, secularism is dead in America. The fact is that humans are so conditioned to religion that it has become an addiction. We'll have to let the masses have their opiates if it keeps them happy, and just try to keep the holy wars to a minimum.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at January 12, 2006 04:25 PM (0yYS2)
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Anyone else notice that the places joe mentions have something in common? Namely, the lack of capitalism and, in turn, representative government.
Not to be a root cause guy (mainly because I hate that crap) but I can't help but think there might be a connection. I'm guessing that jihadis would have a harder time taking hold in places where there is economic opportunities for the populous.
Posted by: KG at January 12, 2006 04:33 PM (eRMCR)
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True, KG, but the other thing these areas have in common is Islam. Without Islam there would no doubt be problems in these countries, but the wild card in all this terrorism is Islam. Money that could have been used to improve the life and living standards in these countries is now being used to build and maintain Salafist teaching mosques.
I also disagree with your jihadist theory with respect to developed countries and economic opportunity. In Britain the jihadists came from wealthy families in some cases, so again I say radical Islam is the root cause. I am a root cause guy.
Posted by: jesusland joe at January 12, 2006 04:54 PM (rUyw4)
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KG,
Lebanon has a famously strong capitalist tradition, and they are home to Hezballah, among other groups.
That's not to say that poor economic policy couldn't contribute to the problem. A big population of Muslims who have nothing to lose seems to breed terrorism; and bloated, corrupt governments that own everyting in the country are real good at producing those conditions.
Maximus,
On the bright side, while we are a bit less secular than we were when I was a kid, the U.S. is very far from the Christian analogue of Islamism. I don't think it could happen in my lifetime, either. It would conflict with our individualism. Americans (with notable exceptions) are too prone to interpret their holy Book for themselves rather than have a politician do it for them.
Posted by: ShannonKW at January 12, 2006 06:06 PM (dT1MB)
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ShannonKW,
I think you nailed it in your answer to IM. The particular concept you refer to is called the "priesthood of the believer". It means that I can read the Bible myself and come to my own conclusions. That is why Christianity has adapted to the modern World and Islam has not. Islam allows little or no interpretation, and what interpretation is allowed comes from the imans. It is a top down religion, and only a remaking of Islam itself will allow for reform.
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The possibility that the locals might be taking on Al Qaeda is kind of beside the point when it comes to the threat still confronting the US military. My reading of the Iraqi situation is that there are plenty of grass roots unsurgents who may not share bin Laden's vision, but who also have no love at all for the US. Some of these will be what Rumsfield has referred to as "Saddamists".
This is a really tough predicament for the US military. I have to admit to having deep reservation when I hear the President talk about "victory" in the context of this type of fight. It's very hard to defeat an enemy that is faceless and can blend with the local population at will.
Tiny Northern Ireland is only a fraction of the size of Iraq, and yet the British military never succeeded in defeating the provisional IRA volunteers, who in some cases were only teenagers. The only way to defeat this type of enemy miltarily, is to use draconian measures and international law (Geneva included), makes this type of approach untenable.
So a standing army has to use all its intellgence resources and non-conventional tactics to try and manage the security situation to the best of its ability. I certainly feel great deal of respect for the young GI's in Iraq who are required to walk this dangerous line every day. It can't be easy.
The next six months or going to be crucial. I was on a blog recently and read a post from a young Iraqi woman who spoke of rising ethnic/tribal tensions and she fears a descent into civil war.
With Ahmadinejad on the loose in Iran, let's hope this fear is unfounded.
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Ladies and gentleman, Kim Jong Il has left the building
I saw over at AoSHQ that there were reports that North Korean dicatator's
train had disappeared in China.
WTF? I asked myself.
Did someone pull the ol' Hans Brix shark-tank on his dictatorness?
Alas, I'm afraid it isn't so. Kim Jong Il has become the Elvis of the Far East. He's been spotted all over China, North Korea, and even Russia. And I'm afraid he's getting the rock star treatment in one Chinese city. Leading the Charge:
Chinese authorities took over a hotel in the southern city of Guangzhou on Thursday and barred public access amid rumors North Korean leader Kim Jong-il is making a secret visit.
Traffic was cordoned off several hundred meters (yards) from the White Swan Hotel and police and hotel staff stopped people from walking in.
"I am sorry, but the government has rented the whole hotel and in fact this morning we had to send our guests to other hotels," one employee told Reuters. "We will only open for regular business on the morning of the 16th."
Asked if any special visitors were staying at the hotel, she said: "We don‘t know. We have not been told anything."
In Beijing, Chinese Foreign Ministry spokesman Kong Quan told reporters he had "no information to offer" on Kim‘s whereabouts.
Various media reports -- citing witnesses, diplomatic sources and those familiar with his movements -- have put Kim in Beijing or Shanghai. One source said he was in Russia.
Hong Kong reporters began flocking to Guangzhou, capital of Guangdong province, on rumors Kim was staying at the White Swan.
What next? A Jong Il, Hussein, Assad, Ahmadinejad reunion concert on the roof of the hotel?
It's been done.
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Hey Kim - watch out for that bar of soap!
Posted by: hondo at January 12, 2006 09:44 AM (3aakz)
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I guess he has more than the usual number of prostitutes accompanying him...
Posted by: Venom at January 12, 2006 10:12 AM (dbxVM)
Posted by: dinah lord at January 12, 2006 02:30 PM (6krEN)
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Takes his personal armored train huh - doesn't want to fly - whats up with that?
Any bridges to cross?
Putin, Hu! Please! Get it over with and pop this guy! We can blame it on .... any suggestions?
Posted by: hondo at January 12, 2006 09:43 PM (3aakz)
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Perhaps he's gone looking for a new hairdresser.
Posted by: xanthoxanax at January 13, 2006 01:16 AM (Iluus)
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I've been booted from the White Swan. Security is super tight here on Shamian Island, but it's suprisingly quiet.
I'm a white US citizen doing engineering work here on the same Island Il is on, and it's not nerve-wracking or anything...
Posted by: Ian at January 13, 2006 04:00 AM (tbMKG)
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We were in Dandong the day before he passed through in '04. Nothing highly unusual. The Chinese are certainly blase about everything he does. Another day for them
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City Concilman Sues for right to pray to Allah
Right. As if the ACLU would be opposed to
that.
Fredericksburg city Councilman fights for right to pray in Jesus name.
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A nondenominational prayer? Isn't the whole point of a prayer is to ask assistance from at least one specific higher power?
Posted by: Graeme at January 12, 2006 09:40 AM (25nFa)
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Ya know, I'm all for people praying, until they try to make prayer part of the official process of government. There is no priestly caste in America, and religion has no place in government. If any government officials want to pray, there are lots of hours in the day to do it in private.
Here are some relevant scriptures:
Mat 23:1-2
Then spake Jesus to the multitude, and to his disciples, saying, The scribes and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat:
In other words, they're putting themselves where they don't belong.
Mat 23:3
All therefore whatsoever they bid you observe, observe and do; but do not ye after their works: for they say, and do not.
Mat 23:4
For they bind heavy burdens and grievous to be borne, and lay [them] on men's shoulders; but they [themselves] will not move them with one of their fingers.
Mat 23:5
But all their works they do for to be seen of men: they make broad their phylacteries, and enlarge the borders of their garments,
Mat 23:14
Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye devour widows' houses, and for a pretence make long prayer: therefore ye shall receive the greater damnation.
Kelo v. new London, anyone?
Mat 23:23
Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier [matters] of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.
Perhaps they should see to the business of state, rather than that of the temple.
Mat 23:25
Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye make clean the outside of the cup and of the platter, but within they are full of extortion and excess.
The GOP corruption scandal springs to mind here. For all their holier-than-thou churchiness, the Republicans sure don't seem to mind dirty money any more than the dhimmicraps do.
Mat 23:28 Even so ye also outwardly appear righteous unto men, but within ye are full of hypocrisy and iniquity.
No more need be said.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at January 12, 2006 10:27 AM (0yYS2)
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Clinton Fundraising With Moonbat Belafonte
The face of a '
moderate'
Democrat revealed. (But how about that
Sheri Belafonte? Hot, hot, hot!)
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Let the people see the socialist Billary really is. Afterall, it was the Banana Boat boy who said Millions in America want Communist when standing next to the liberal idol Chavez. Will be fun to see how Billary trys to spin this.
Posted by: Andy at January 12, 2006 09:01 AM (tMU4W)
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Who will be a no show?
If they both go - will they pose for a picture - or will she disappear on the otherside of the room?
Only a pre-event poll will know for sure.
Posted by: hondo at January 12, 2006 01:07 PM (3aakz)
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Belafonte is an ungrateful dumb ass who should be sent back to Jamica and never allowed to return to America. He is a white hating dog. Always has been. Always will be.
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New Polygamy Law on Hold in 'Moderate Islamic' Country, Malaysia
Allahpundit points out that Malaysia's impending law legalizing polygamy is on hold--for now. Personally I think polygamy ought to be legal (but only
good polygamy--two hot chicks), but Islamic law's version of unfair to women at best and a license for masogony at worst.
AFP:
Malaysian women's groups claimed victory after the government put on hold contentious legislation which would have helped Muslim men to take multiple wives and claim property after divorce.
The government agreed to review the Islamic Family Law bill after it triggered a public outcry last month by forcing it through the upper house over the protests of women senators and civil society groups....
Malaysian Muslim men are allowed four wives under Islamic law, but under the new amendments they would no longer have to prove they are financially capable of treating all their wives equally before taking on another.
On taking a new wife, men could seize property belonging to existing wives, and they would be given new rights to claim assets after a divorce, as well as less obligation to pay compensation and maintenance.
Incidentally, I have a relative from Malaysia, but who is ethnically Chinese. When I mentioned to her a friend of mine from Malaysia she was excited...until she heard my friend was ethnically Malay. "Muslim?" she asked. "Yes." I answered. "The Muslims have ruined our country," she said with a scowl on her face. And that was the end of that conversation.
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She's right. Muslims ruin anything they touch.
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Teacher Arrested for Junk
No, this is not a report about the curricula. It's a story out of Westford, Massachusetts, about a teacher getting pinched for heroin. Although unwelcome, it is a change from the ubiquitous stories of teachers having sex with students.
A 30-year-old sixth-grade English teacher at Stony Brook Middle School, Jessica Palkes (pic), was arrested last Friday and charged with possession of heroin and hypodermic needles after a traffic stop. According to Westford Police Lt. Victor Neal, Palkes admitted that she was a heroin user. Her arraignment was Tuesday in Ayer District Court. Palkes pleaded not guilty to all charges.
The Superintendent of Schools, Stephen Foster, has notified the parents of current and former Stony Brook students of Palkes' arrest. It's notable that in 2004, Westford Academy teacher Rosemarie Pumo was convicted of distributing heroin to students and sentenced to prison.
Two teachers from different schools in the same small town being involved with heroin would appear to indicate a generic drug problem far removed from the crime-ridden center of the big city. An inquiring mind would have to wonder just how extensive the rural Massachusetts drug problem is.
Companion post at Interested-Participant.
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Not sure I would call Westford "rural". It is in somewhat close proximity to Lowell, which is not a particularly affluent community. Granted, it is not a city, but it is close enough.
Posted by: Bill at January 12, 2006 07:49 AM (1gB1o)
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That's my home town. population 20,000. Average household income is probalby in the six figures. Although I didn't come from wealth, most houses in town would be considered mansions. Drugs are everywhere.
Posted by: N at January 12, 2006 07:52 AM (OqZ3M)
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Westford was definately rural 20 years ago. Apple orchards everywhere. Those have mostly gone for culdesac cookie cutter mansions.
Posted by: N at January 12, 2006 07:55 AM (OqZ3M)
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Our teachers always used to get on us for "horsing around". Quid pro quo magister, quid pro quo.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at January 12, 2006 08:44 AM (0yYS2)
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heroin is hard drug of choice in New England. The meth plague from the south and west has not yet arrived.
Posted by: john Ryan at January 12, 2006 10:33 AM (TcoRJ)
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People that make or sell meth should just be executed on the spot.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at January 12, 2006 07:26 PM (0yYS2)
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Westford is my home town as well. I have called it home for 32 years, gone through the school system and wouldn't want to live anywhere else. What happened is tragic, but not a reflection of the community. It can happen anywhere. I simply wonder why teachers nationwide are not drug tested. We test our athletes, why not the caregivers of our children? I have been tested just to get an office job! Just tragic.
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Teddy Kennedy And The He-Man, Woman-Haters Club
From the
Washington Times:
The eight-term senator belonged to an all-male social club -- the Owl -- at Harvard University. The Owl refused to admit women until it was forced to do so during the 1980s, according to records kept by the Harvard Crimson, the student newspaper.
A Kennedy spokeswoman said it was an entirely different matter.
"No one can question Senator Kennedy's commitment to equality, justice and civil rights," said Laura Capps. "What he was part of was a social club, not a radical group pushing a radical agenda."
Anyway, she said, even though women were admitted to the university during Mr. Kennedy's tenure, they weren't fully integrated to the campus until much later.
So there.
Also posted at The Dread Pundit Bluto.
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We can blame Darla! Its all her fault!
Posted by: hondo at January 12, 2006 07:57 AM (3aakz)
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Kennedy and his liberal allies are nothing but hypocrits. It's the classic do what I say, not what I do routine. For Kennedy to lecture anyone on morals is deplorable, and his performance overall in the hearings would make a normal person puke.
Posted by: jesusland joe at January 12, 2006 10:09 AM (rUyw4)
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JJ, they're all hypocrites, some just happen to be pro-American. It's disgusting to think of the depths to which we've sunk in this country.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at January 12, 2006 10:27 AM (0yYS2)
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Don;t forget the other anti-woman group that he is a member of. This group has raped, killed and mistreated women for years.
The group is of course, the Kennedy Family!
Posted by: Miller's Time at January 12, 2006 11:07 AM (ve23U)
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Yeah, well Kennedy is not progressive enough for me. As a progressive (who supports the troops while voting for politicians who cut the military budget every chance they get) I couldn't care less what Mary Jo Kopechne's grandchildren think about Ted Kennedy.
What we need on the Supreme Court is balance as mandated in Article XXIV of the Constitution. Some centrist like Barbara Boxer, George Soros or maybe even a scholar like Al Franken.
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January 11, 2006
Jawapalooza in PARIS?
Yes,
that Paris. The one in
Fwance. If you were in London anyway, and you had the time and money, would you go?
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Posted by: Dinah Lord at January 11, 2006 05:48 PM (6krEN)
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Go only if you intend to urinate in the Seine. Otherwise use the time to head north and get some haggis.
Posted by: Leopold Stotch at January 11, 2006 06:02 PM (PuTtp)
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Yes. But only if I couldn't find a better place to go. Edinborough comes to mind.
Posted by: caltechgirl at January 11, 2006 06:12 PM (uI/79)
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Paris?
Do you realize what we'd do to your blog while you were gone if you went to Paris?
It would be a digital coup d'etat.
There, that little bit of French is all you need of Paris.
Posted by: Vinnie at January 11, 2006 06:19 PM (Kr6/f)
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I'd go, but only so that I could say I'd seen it before it was subsumed into the Caliphate.
Posted by: Russ at January 11, 2006 06:20 PM (utsLN)
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Blogmeet in Paris? I'm there...
Posted by: zonker at January 11, 2006 07:13 PM (/y7q3)
Posted by: Gordon at January 11, 2006 08:36 PM (i0N3d)
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On the other hand, if you want Paris, watch the awful movie
Troy.
You'll get plenty of Paris there. Orlando Bloom Paris, even.
Posted by: Vinnie at January 11, 2006 09:15 PM (Kr6/f)
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Why not, i'd like to see paris before the misunderstood burn it all down. Tell the children what not to do.
Posted by: MathewK at January 11, 2006 10:14 PM (pVHqF)
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I would, but would ask any & all Frenchmen where the nearest McDonald's was?
Posted by: PMain at January 12, 2006 03:26 AM (ImHPa)
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Oui. By all means, go, especially if you've never been. Paris is the nicest city in the world to visit. The French are not nearly so unfriendly as stereotyped., and the food, wine and beer are terrific.
Posted by: Pigilito at January 12, 2006 03:42 AM (EBtsC)
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So, I should go to Paris but only if it's in a not-gay way (if that's possible)?
Posted by: Rusty at January 12, 2006 08:09 AM (JQjhA)
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I just interviewed with a couple of perspective clients who live in Paris, and they say it's still nice and peaceful where the white people live. Oops, did I say that? Naughty me...
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at January 12, 2006 08:46 AM (0yYS2)
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Yes do, you only live once. Take and extra week too and hop over to Ireland. Then take cool pics of Ireland and send to Howie so he can give em to the old old man.
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Congressman Moran gets Pwned
Click
here to see an Iraq war veteran take Moran to task over his stance on the war.
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I think you mistyped your link...
Posted by: Venom at January 11, 2006 05:02 PM (dbxVM)
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www.conservativefriends.com/files/moran.wmv
I loved it.
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Fixed. the http ref was missing.
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Whoops. Thanks for the catch there Rusty.
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Do you guys have the rest of the video? I'd love to see it, maybe link it on a blog i contribute to, spread some of the truth around a bit, put a hurtin on some leftys.
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E-Mail a British Jihad Terror Supporter
E-mail terror supporter Asad Ullah here
islam4uk@hotmail.co.uk. He is the registered owner of the '
Saved Sect' website which supports exiled cleric
Omar Bakri Muhammad, most famous for saying:
there is no doubt that fighting the enemy, whether close to you or far away, is a duty upon Muslims, especially after the criminals, aggressors and occupiers have spread their atrocities and corruption among the believers and in their homeland, and have violated the sanctities of Allah
Omar Bakri Mohammed also justifies the kidnapping of women and children:
Omar Bakri Mohammed, the spiritual leader of the extremist sect al-Muhajiroun, said that holding women and children hostage would be a reasonable course of action for a Muslim who has suffered under British rule.
These bastards even issued
a fatwa against democracy:
Therefore, dear brothers and sisters know that democracy and "freedom" are both forms of taaghout, and hence, it is a prerequisite of being a Muslim to reject these and declare animosity towards them.
Hat tip:
Glen Jenvey
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Islam is incompatible with liberty, and thus has no place in the civilized world. Muslims should be made to understand that they are not welcome and should go back to the godforsaken rat nests whence they spawned.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at January 11, 2006 03:18 PM (0yYS2)
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Islam is incompatible with democracy? he sure accepted support of the British Government in the form of a welfare check every two weeks?
If you think the U.S welfare system is insane, you should see the U.K welfare system, with housing paid for, a bi-weekly check and an incremental payment for each child you have (independent of income you could be a millionare and still get it) foodstamps for children, and school uniform vouchers.
Why ever work?
Posted by: dave at January 11, 2006 03:26 PM (CcXvt)
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Dave, how did you read
liberty and come out with
democracy? The two aren't interchangable, although it is possible to have liberty without democracy, though not the other way around.
Anyway, muslims are parasitic vermin, and should be exterminated.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at January 11, 2006 03:49 PM (0yYS2)
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IM:
I was replying to this comment:
These bastards even issued a fatwa against democracy:
Therefore, dear brothers and sisters know that democracy and "freedom" are both forms of taaghout, and hence, it is a prerequisite of being a Muslim to reject these and declare animosity towards them.
Posted by: dave at January 11, 2006 03:54 PM (CcXvt)
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LOL, this guy is going to get some nasty emails and death threats.
Posted by: George Ramos at January 11, 2006 03:55 PM (5E0ex)
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Are christians any better?
Posted by: BWE at January 11, 2006 03:57 PM (yQGkF)
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I'm still getting over the shock that the Brits grew the spine to kick this Omar fellow out, common sense would dictate, when a fellow hates his country and actively works to undermine it, then you help him on his way.
We in Australia have a similar welfare system to the UK, on our side, we have a fellow who spent 2+ years in Gitmo enjoying your hospitality and under the close watch of human rights groups, he has since returned to Australia, is living off a disability pension. Funny thing is he participated in a marathon here since his return and has no problems giving talks at left wing institutions and getting paid for it.
meanwhile, we the stupid taxpayer is not entitled to know the nature of his disability due to privacy laws, no such protection for us when people like him are helping themselves to our wallets though.
Posted by: MathewK at January 11, 2006 04:01 PM (pVHqF)
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Dave, Bakri is so willing to accept a welfare cheque because in his opinion, he has every right to live in Britain. In '04 when I was studying in London, I listened to a radio interview with him. The interviewer (who was becoming quite pissed off) asked him why he was staying in Britain if he didn't like the laws. His reponse was that Allah created the world and as a muslim he can live in any part of the world he chooses. That interview was the first time I had come close to hurling an appliance out the window.
Posted by: Graeme at January 11, 2006 04:07 PM (qxvHt)
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No death threats or threats of any kind, please!
BWE--you are an idiot.
Posted by: Rusty at January 11, 2006 04:13 PM (JQjhA)
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Graeme,
You raised an interesting point. I heard another of the jihadists, I can't remember his name, saying that Allah expected them to live off welfare in an attempt to bankrupt the infidel nations they live in. Perhaps it was Omar Bakri himself, I'm not sure.
But the point we should all get is that the jihadists are prepared to use the institutions of the West to destroy the West, and if you look around, they appear to be very successful in what they are attempting to do.
Posted by: jesusland joe at January 11, 2006 04:21 PM (rUyw4)
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Asking a Jihadi to be loyal to a country, is like asking your dog to stop licking his balls.
Posted by: dave at January 11, 2006 04:44 PM (CcXvt)
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Hey BWE you retarded moron, I'm the resident atheist on this blog, and I have a hard enough time trying to convince people that we're not all a bunch of idiots like you, and then an idiot like you shows up and spouts something stupid, and I have to start all over again. Now, to answer your question; yes, Christians are better. If that fact isn't clear to you, you should move to Saudi Arabia. Dumbass.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at January 11, 2006 05:23 PM (0yYS2)
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BWE I forgive your stupid ass, they behead your stupid ass.
Posted by: Brad at January 11, 2006 06:57 PM (3OPZt)
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By the way Dave, I couldn't have put it better myself, but I will add this: At least dogs are good for something.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at January 11, 2006 07:32 PM (0yYS2)
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Why would you ask a dog to stop licking his balls? If you could lick your balls, would you stop?
IM- You got a problem with retarded morons? I see our christian leaders doing roughly equivalent things only from the stronger position. But, I am a retarded moron in fact so I am glad you forgive me and I prefer not being beheaded. I need quite a bit of forgiveness these days I notice. I am afraid I might go to hell. But I do know that athiests don't have any kind of monopoly on the truth. God will punish those of us who do not tether stray goats and find the owners. Believe it or perish!
Posted by: BWE at January 12, 2006 01:41 AM (yQGkF)
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You might have a fetish for licking balls, don't project it.
Posted by: dave at January 12, 2006 02:41 PM (CcXvt)
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BWE, that above, and the crap on your hilarious yet pathetic excuse for a blog, is so stupid it's not even wrong, because something has to at least make a little sense to be wrong.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at January 12, 2006 04:29 PM (0yYS2)
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I didn't say that islam is
good. I said that it's not
worse. Since making sense is not one of my strong suits, I am forced to rely on the next best alternative.
Posted by: BWE at January 12, 2006 05:04 PM (yQGkF)
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Fetish? Oh c'mon. You've never envied that particular talent? Truth now.
Posted by: BWE at January 12, 2006 05:08 PM (yQGkF)
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Jesus H., this blog attracts some morons.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at January 12, 2006 07:28 PM (0yYS2)
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IM, it's not just this blog. The weirdos are every fricking where. I think this one is from Washingstan, which seems to be a hotbed of moonbats. Must be the climate.
Posted by: jesusland joe at January 12, 2006 07:53 PM (rUyw4)
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I resent that. I am interested in serious discussion. I am absolutely against islam and any other brainwashing technique. You dismissed my comment and called me stupid before you considered it. I would say that maybe your closed minds hurt and that's why you're all so cranky. Lighten up, smoke a joint. And c'mon, you know you'd do it if ya could with the flexible spine.
PS Saudi Oregon, not Washingstan. And yes, the climate makes us wierd. You should see me in my Tarzan outfit! It's something to see.
Posted by: BWE at January 12, 2006 09:36 PM (yQGkF)
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No, that would be Oregonistan, moonbat central, where second hand smoke not only kills you but gets you high. Been there, it's pretty to look at, but the people on the coast suck. There are a few normal people who live in rural areas, but not enough to offset the lunatics that inhabit the coastal areas and Portland.
Actually, the whole Left Coast is like that, so I'm not just picking on Oregonistan. Won't be seeing you anytime soon, BWE, so WATCH OUT FOR THAT TREE!
Posted by: jesusland joe at January 13, 2006 10:27 AM (rUyw4)
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Is there a problem with getting high off secondhand smoke? Definitly saves money what with the high price of organic pot these days. And speaking of, have you seen the price of Tofu lately? It is too bad that we outlawed gay marriage though. Now my neigbor won't be able to marry his dog. Oh the envy he feels as he watches it's spine curved in such a breathtaking arc. And without the sanctity of marriage he will never have carnal knowledge of its mysteries.
BTW, thanks for the compliment on my blog. I write usually after leaving secondhand areas.
Posted by: BWE at January 13, 2006 02:18 PM (yQGkF)
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Alito and the Future of the United States
Unfortunately, I haven't had much time to read much of the news coming out of the Alito hearings. I did hear where Kennedy attempted to lecture on morals. I don't even think the pot calling the kettle black euphamism is strong enough for that. When you leave a woman to drown just to save your political career, you lose all rights to speak to anyone about morals.
What I have heard, though, is this. The Democrats are beginning to sound like a one-trick pony.
"Alito will do away with abortion."
"What's going to happen to abortion under Alito?"
"How will Alito vote on abortion cases?"
"Alito is going to take away womens' rights."
Are the Democrats being alamrists? Are they just trying to keep from getting another Conservative on the bench? Are they trying to push their agenda? Let's take a look at the facts. Most of the historical abortion cases that I have heard of have been decided 6 - 3. With the death of Chief Justice Rhenquest and the confirmation of John Roberts as Chief Justice, nothing changes. We lost a consistantly constitional vote and gained another. Even if Judge Alito were confirmed and voted consistantly conservative on every issue, it would only bring most abortion votes to a 5-4 decision. Now, to be fair, there are some issues that were voted 5-4 that would now change. And there are some that we are completly unsure about such as upholding the partial birth abortion ban. But is that enough to stop Alito? Is that even why we are here?
The purpose of the Senate confirmation hearings, according to the Constitution, is simply to provide advice and consent to the President. It doesn't say that he has to follow their advice, or that their consent is completly necessary for a judge to be confirmed. Only that they provide it to the President. And historically, the Senate confirmation hearings have not been used as a formum for a partisan witch-hunt. This practice started in earnest with Justice Clarance Thomas. If you want proof of how the confirmation hearings should be conducted, take a look at Ruth Bader Ginsburg. I don't agree with anything that she does politically and neither do most of the Conservatives who confirmed her. Yet she received 99% of the vote during her hearings. This is because instead of asking her how she was going to vote on certain issues, the Senators at that time stuck what they were supposed to cover. Does she know the law? Is she an honest person? Can she judge impartially? How highly is she rated by her peers? Covering the confirmation hearings with all the propaganda about how a judge is going to vote or what his politics are based on is simply a waste of our time and money. And even more so when a windbag like Kennedy takes time to bluster and lecture.
And if the Senators do their job correctly and Alito is confirmed (which is the only logical outcome at this time), what then? Will abortion be overturned? Not likely. The first thing that you have to keep in mind is that these justices can't just get into office and start overturning any law that doesn't suit them. Someone would first have to bring forth a case challenging the constitutionality of Roe v. Wade. And in this case, it would probably have to be something that has not yet been tried. Most tactics (for lack of a better word) that have already been ruled on are either not going to be accepted by the court for a second look or ruled on in the same way. However, I'm certain that there are enough bright lawyers out there looking to make a name for themselves that someone can find a novel approach to this issue. So, assuming that Alito gets nominated, some hotshot young lawyer finds a new way to say Roe v. Wade is unconstitutional and manages to get heard, AND one of the historical "swing vote" judges decides that he agrees with the argument AND both Roberts and Alito agree with the argument....Roe v. Wade could potentially be overturned. Woe and betide us! Women will have to move back into caves! All their human rights will be taken away! They'll become a subclass of people and even lose their right to vote!
Or maybe not. You see, all Roe v. Wade has ever done is move the decisions about abortion to a federal level and take it out of the hands of the states. And with this, out of the hands of voters. Which is EXACTLY where abortion proponents want it. They're terrified of letting the people speak on this issue, so they have hidden behind the judicial nonsense perpetrated by the original Roe ruling. Whether or not you believe in abortion, you should be completly appalled at the way this has been handled. To allow a judge to add (or take away) rights that do not appear in the Constitution allows for the complete bypass of our entire system of checks and balances. The liberals have been up in arms lately over President Bush's alleged "power grab" with the entire wiretap story. Yet they refuse to acknowledge the same type of situation when it happens with our court system.
The nomination of Samuel Alito to our highest court can be used for two things. It can be used by the partisan hacks to divide our great country further in their effort to dismantle the constitution through judicial activism or it can be used to get us back on track. As voters, the choice is ours. Contact your senator and let him know how you feel on this and every issue that means something to you. And if they don't listen, then send them a clear message at election time.
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Interesting. I haven't followed the Alito hearings closely but I'm not surprised this is where the D's are taking their hits. I don't think relentlessly opposing national security (and supporting losing the war) was working out for them. If I were a Democratic Senator I'd do exactly what they're doing--just blather on and try to get a rise out of Alito and thereby some grounds to justify the inevitable filibuster.
Posted by: See-Dubya at January 11, 2006 03:16 PM (NZHCc)
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Somehow I doubt they will catch on, they're just too damned stupid.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at January 11, 2006 03:19 PM (0yYS2)
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About the only thing that can slow down Alito's confirmation is if he screws up and gives them any meaningful ammunition. Continuing to mop the floor with them, Alito is going making it real difficult for the democrats close to the center to vote against him or try to filibuster. It's a no-brainer that Kennedy, Schumer, and Feinstein will want to filibuster but I think too many of the others know that to do so would cause bigger problems. This is nothing more than saber-rattling to try and intimidate the only person who can stop the confirmation. About the only power the democrats have right now (if you want to call it that) is the threat of a filibuster and they at least want to use the threat once in a while. They won't be able to do so if they force the Republicans to change the rule. I predict he'll be sitting on the bench within 2 weeks.
Posted by: slug at January 11, 2006 04:32 PM (wcNc2)
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Watching the hearings, it strikes me that we should have a holiday for Lee Harvey Oswald, Sirhan Sirhan, and whoever, (Oh please, please, please!), whacks that other scumbag Kennedy. If the Hero of Chappaquiddick were to get assassinated, I doubt my heart could stand it, but I'd die a happy man. I'd love to see his bloated head explode on camera like his idiot scumbag brother.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at January 11, 2006 05:30 PM (0yYS2)
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Knife Attack at Moscow Synagogue, American Injured
Various Russian news agencies report that a lone knifeman entered a central Moscow synagogue and began randomly stabbing congregants. At least eight people were stabbed, four of them are in critical condition. Three of the victims were foreigners, including an American, and Israeli, and a Tajik. The name of the American victim is not known at this time.
Rabbi Yitzhak Kogan reports that the assailant said, "I've come here to kill." The assailant, 20 year old Alexander Koptsev, was apprehended by the Rabbi and his son. No known ties exist between Koptsev and antisemitic nationalist groups.
When I lived in Russia, ten years ago, antisemitism was rampant. I guess things haven't changed all that much.
UPDATE: Looks like he was a skinhead, or 'gooligan' as they say in Russia.
News Search: Moscow Synagogue
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one incident is hardly still rampant is it ???
Posted by: rob at January 11, 2006 01:44 PM (QpkBe)
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No, but when I say antisemetism was rampant I didn't mean that they were firing up the ovens. The antisemetism revealed itself mostly in disparaging remarks and hooligan parades, not in overt crimes.
Posted by: Rusty at January 11, 2006 02:12 PM (JQjhA)
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No known ties exist between Koptsev and antisemitic nationalist groups.
We don't know whether he prayed on Friday or Sunday, yet.
Posted by: Robert Crawford at January 11, 2006 03:36 PM (n5eDP)
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WTW Where is the Digicam Angelina?
Ok so my wife only shares a variation of one name with Ms. Jolie who as it turns out may be
officially knocked up. Be careful brad that young-un may come out and throw a roundhouse at yer noggin.

I reckon that was an appropriate pic cept Angelina will be facing the porcelain god now.
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"If they made airplane seats like this I would never have to get up in midflight"
Posted by: Steve Sharon at January 11, 2006 05:25 PM (e/IFH)
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>>>Ms. Jolie who as it turns out may be officially knocked up.
Yet another Hollywood celebrity conceives yet another celebrity bastard child.
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Northeast Intelligence Network Hacked?
Has the
Northeast Intelligence Network suffered from jihadi cyber attack? Here is the message I get when going to their site:

Any one in contact with Douglas Hagman, let me know.
UPDATE: Up and working now, so Dave's explanation (in comments) might be right.
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Dont have your email at the offcie Rusty - thanks for the link and you might want to pick up on this I just saw. It wont take the link in comments. Hmm but you can google it - AP breaking:
Family Believes Man Abducted in Iraq Dead
By JAMES MacPHERSON
Associated Press Writer
BISMARCK, N.D. (AP) -- The sister of a civilian contractor abducted in Iraq says the family believes he is dead and is planning a memorial service.
Posted by: Dan at January 11, 2006 12:24 PM (S37vA)
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I had some contact with one of the writers at NIN a while back when a fuel truck went missing in KY. I'll see if I can find it and ask WTF happened. Wish me luck.
Posted by: Howie at January 11, 2006 12:36 PM (D3+20)
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That error in indictive of a virtual server that is no longer handling the requests for that domain.
Virtual hosts work based on the Hostname: www.thedomain.com being passed as a string from the browser to the server.
If the hostname doesn't exist in the web server configuration file it will return that error.
Might be a server rebuild [sometimes hacks] or could be he is just moving.
Posted by: dave at January 11, 2006 12:42 PM (CcXvt)
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Damn the mail addy I have depends on that server I can't get through.
Posted by: Howie at January 11, 2006 12:46 PM (D3+20)
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Howie:
The mail for that domain is handled by:
mail16.webcontrolcenter.com
it is up and running.
He should be able to get Email unless he was completely removed from the mail server configuration too.
Posted by: dave at January 11, 2006 12:50 PM (CcXvt)
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Dave,
It's also a typical cyber attack to obfuscate the redirect.
Posted by: Rusty Shackleford at January 11, 2006 12:51 PM (JQjhA)
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Rusty:
The name servers for that domain are returning the correct IP [in their namespace] it's just the web server is not configured to handle the domain:
telnet www.homeland securityus.com 80
Trying 216.197.122.53...
Connected to www.homeland securityus.com.
Escape character is '^]'.
GET / HTTP/1.1
Host:www.homeland securityus.com
HTTP/1.1 400 Bad Request
Content-Type: text/html
Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 18:56:40 GMT
Connection: close
Content-Length: 39
Bad Request (Invalid Hostname)Connection closed by foreign host.
no redirect.
[ironically the domain is filted in the comments!]
Posted by: dave at January 11, 2006 12:57 PM (CcXvt)
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Dave,
So are you thinking it was just a server problem?
"Engrish prease!"
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paul@(filtered domain name)
gives
This is an automatically generated Delivery Status Notification
Delivery to the following recipient failed permanently:
paul@(same deal)
Technical details of permanent failure:
PERM_FAILURE: SMTP Error (state 9): 550 No such user here
Posted by: Howie at January 11, 2006 01:02 PM (D3+20)
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Yes. to me that would suggest the web server is being upgraded, or rebuilt.
Your assessment could be correct that the server may have been hacked, obviously a rebuild/upgrade would also have to be applied.
I wouldn't imagine his ISP removed him, because they're still resolving his domain for him.
His email should still be working.
Posted by: dave at January 11, 2006 01:04 PM (CcXvt)
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Hagman is doing podcasts here
http://www.enigmapodcast.com/?q=blog/10&PHPSESSID=89a5dcb4ddeeb8c3a829f7e6c30d8fe1
Posted by: Howie at January 11, 2006 01:06 PM (D3+20)
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Howie,
Then his account was removed from their mail server too.
as two independent systems are returning errors it could be that they have removed him.
I can tell you right now, when virtual servers get hit with a DDoS and the account is not a lot of money, most places will simple remove the account.
Seems weird they haven't removed his DNS entry however.
I wouldn't like to be hosted at any company that rebuilds two critical components on the same day [even if hacked!]
Posted by: dave at January 11, 2006 01:09 PM (CcXvt)
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Hagman says he has been ill in the podcast I'm listening to it now.
Posted by: Howie at January 11, 2006 01:12 PM (D3+20)
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could just be a billing problem then?
Posted by: dave at January 11, 2006 01:13 PM (CcXvt)
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or it could be the europeans again
Posted by: rob at January 11, 2006 01:47 PM (QpkBe)
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Well, seems to somewhat work from here, gives a
Welcome to the Northeast Intelligence Network...
We are the leader in providing information about terrorism, terrorist threats and terrorist events to the public. We provide the truth about the threats we face through our investigation and research.
We dare to go where the media DOES NOT, most researchers CANNOT, and where most investigators WILL NOT...
"Biblebiblebible..."Joh .;..
And then gets stuck on loading something I have no patience or interrest to wait for. Told a fellow to see what it is (trice the speed in his conn.), said it was a pop-up animation of a provocative type, and that I should just see for myself. I suggest he's lying to waste my time or he got some virus from it and tries a mild revenge, anyways, you check it out if you can.
Posted by: A Finn at January 11, 2006 02:03 PM (lGolT)
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Up and working now, so Dave's explanation probably correct.
Posted by: Rusty at January 11, 2006 02:10 PM (JQjhA)
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still not working here.
Posted by: Howie at January 11, 2006 02:16 PM (D3+20)
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He's a braver soul that I, running such a controversial site on a virtual host, that's just asking for Jihadi ownage.
Posted by: dave at January 11, 2006 02:41 PM (CcXvt)
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Gay Cowboy Eating Pudding Critical of West Virginians, Mormons
I wonder what former Grand Kleagle Robert Byrd has to say about this? Via
Dan Riehl:
Heath Ledger slams West Virginians, Mormons:
"I heard a while ago that West Virginia was going to ban it. But that's a state that was lynching people only 25 years ago, so that's to be expected," Ledger said.
"Personally, I don't think the movie is (controversial) but I think maybe the Mormons in Utah do. I think it's hilarious and very immature of a society.
Yeah, nothing says 'mature' like two guys having sex on the open range. File under:
bad gay.
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Ya know, if some idiots want to make a movie about queer cowboys, then hey, it's a free country, right? But by the same token, if the vast majority of We the People are disgusted, repulsed, and sickened by the thought, and choose not to see it, then hey, it's a free country, right? Personally, I'm only glad John Wayne isn't around to see the depths to which we've sunken.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at January 11, 2006 12:03 PM (0yYS2)
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John Madden on the subject:
"When you think about fag cowboys, you think about Heath Leger, and when you think about Heath Leger, you think about fag cowboys. You take the fag cowboys and Mormons and they just dont go together the way they do with Heath Leger. I mean Heath Leger and fag cowboys go together like Brett Favre and Lambeau Field and cold weather, and what was the question?"
Posted by: Steve Sharon at January 11, 2006 12:16 PM (e/IFH)
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Words like "Fag" and "Queer" aside. I saw the movie. It's an excellent story of two men, who fall in love. Let's not confuse sex with love. [They find a bond that in another time would be wonderful]. The movie isn't graphic; you donÂ’t see their erect penises, you see them embrace and be tender towards each other. They were forced to remain inside the confines of society. Go see the movie. It wonÂ’t make you gay by watching it, it may even give you something to think about.
Posted by: Chevy at January 11, 2006 12:50 PM (TJt6I)
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Nicely said Rusty.
Posted by: thirdee at January 11, 2006 12:56 PM (S0mC1)
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Chevy: what proof do you have that seeing the movie won't make you gay?
Posted by: The Dread Pundit Bluto at January 11, 2006 01:07 PM (RHG+K)
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I think I'll pass, a movie that is based on the premise of:
Homo's, Homo's on the range, where the deer and the antelope play
Just isn't my speed. Thanks for the feedback Chevy, I'm glad you enjoyed it.
Posted by: dave at January 11, 2006 01:26 PM (CcXvt)
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Chevy, First of all, queers call themselves queers, so what's good for the goose is good for the gander, especially if the gander's queer.
Second, I know what love is, and I know the perfectly natural, asexual, bond that men can form, espcially under trying circumstances; it's called "brotherhood", and it's quite common among soldiers, and yes, cowboys. Wanting to give your buddy a Dirty Sanchez is not the natural expression of amity between men, which is why it's called "queer".
Third, I'm not afraid of becoming queer just by watching a movie, though you might have trouble wrapping your simplistic liberal mind around the idea. I just find the whole concept repulsive, and want nothing to do with it, and I damned sure won't support such degeneracy with my money.
If you like watching gay cowboy porn, then by all means go ahead, because as I said, it's a free country, but don't expect normal, red-blooded men to go for that shit, 'cause it ain't gonna happen.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at January 11, 2006 01:32 PM (0yYS2)
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Chevy,
I watched the movie and immediately felt the urge to sodomize my half brother Heath.
Posted by: Nick Barclay at January 11, 2006 01:37 PM (3OPZt)
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well said Maximus! I personally don't hate queers, just don't want to see the homo mafia in everything that is natural, because it is not! They want rights, give them their rights.........15% off Vaseline now get the *uck back in the Closet(Dice Man was right)
Posted by: Andy at January 11, 2006 02:56 PM (tMU4W)
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That's it Andy. I have two gay neighbors that are just plain nice guys, and I wouldn't let anyone cause them any trouble, but they know how to keep private matters private, as all people should. I don't really care what consenting adults do with one another, I just don't want to know about it.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at January 11, 2006 03:22 PM (0yYS2)
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Stop saying gay cowboys!
They're gay sheep herders! Big difference...
Posted by: Chad at January 11, 2006 03:30 PM (E2GpM)
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Let's just pray this thread doesn't get linked to one of the pro-homo sites.
IM, as usual, you cut through the BS and got to the point. Well said, my friend!
Posted by: jesusland joe at January 11, 2006 03:32 PM (rUyw4)
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Yeah they are sheepherders nobody ever liked them in the old westerns either: the sheep crop the grass to short not like cattle. So if they are to be hung they should be hung as sheepherders not as queers.
Posted by: john Ryan at January 11, 2006 04:18 PM (TcoRJ)
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Good point on the technicalities, they're damn sure not cowboys.
Thanks JJ.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at January 11, 2006 05:31 PM (0yYS2)
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They are not gay, they are homosexual. I am not ruining the english language to satisfy a bunch of faggots. Sorry if you do not like my opinion but I think they are disgusting, especially bisexual men who do not tell their wives or girlfriends about their boyfriends. At least Suha Arafag knew about Yasser.
Posted by: Steve Sharon at January 11, 2006 05:32 PM (e/IFH)
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Faggot traditionally meant a stick of wood, and gay meant happy. Don't know how they got converted to mean polesmoking rump rangers, but that's their current context.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at January 11, 2006 07:34 PM (0yYS2)
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>>>I saw the movie. It's an excellent story of two men, who fall in love.
So if the two cowboys in question turned out to be long-lost brothers, would it still be an "excellent" and touching story about two men who fall in love? After all, they don't show any erect penises, and they really really love each other.
Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at January 11, 2006 11:55 PM (8e/V4)
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They are sheepherders - shepherds! Not cowboys! What's the matter Hollywood? - so out of it you missed that obvious detail? what next - a pickup is a car? Boots are shoes (or just footwear)?
Want to make gay love story movies - fine. But please play at least a lil' bit attention to detail!
I mean - what next - a gay love story about two sailors filmed against the backdrop of the Arizona desert?
Posted by: hondo at January 12, 2006 07:52 AM (3aakz)
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So ... they are NOT gay cowboys, but gay shepherds. ....
Does this mean they ran out of ewes?
Posted by: charlie at January 12, 2006 09:24 AM (2ZhL/)
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Their gay cowboys because someone in Hollywood realized that pointing out their actually shepherds opens them up to a lot of old jokes - AND THEY WANT TO BE TAKEN OH SO SERIOUSLY!
Posted by: hondo at January 12, 2006 09:49 AM (3aakz)
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So two gay sheepherders walk into a bar...
Let's have a contest to finish that joke. Howzabowtit?
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at January 12, 2006 10:29 AM (0yYS2)
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No, hondo, the people who do these things and write these scripts are ignorant. Not stupid, but ignorant of anything that is not in their little circle. That is the reason they cannot understand how anyone could vote for Bush. They really have no idea about how the vast majority of the people in the US live and think.
And honestly, they probably think a cowboy herds sheep. Any three-year old here in Texas would know that not to be true.
Posted by: jesusland joe at January 12, 2006 10:30 AM (rUyw4)
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They know the difference between herding cattle (cowboys) and herding (is that the word?) sheep (shepherds). I know they do - I'm surrounded by them here in NYC. Ang Lee might not know - but they do.
Posted by: hondo at January 12, 2006 12:47 PM (3aakz)
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two gay sheepherders walk into a bar..... one turns to the other and says, hey ya wanna get shitfaced ?
How's that IM ?
Posted by: memphis761 at January 12, 2006 02:03 PM (D3+20)
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Sometimes you just have to push the sheep through the fence...
Posted by: George at January 12, 2006 02:07 PM (SyfL7)
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Sorry, but no. Thanks for playing though, and please try again!
How about this:
Two gay sheepherders walk into a bar, and the bartender says, "We don't allow you people in here."
One of the sheepers responds, "It's okay, we're into rams."
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at January 12, 2006 04:34 PM (0yYS2)
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As they sit down at the bar, one says to the other” Mind if I push in your stool?"
Posted by: Brad at January 12, 2006 04:35 PM (3OPZt)
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Good try Brad, but it's been done, and we need a whole joke. C'mon peeepul!
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at January 12, 2006 07:27 PM (0yYS2)
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So far the only movie reviewer I know who really loved the movie was Mr.Slave of the South Park Daily who gave it two schmeckels up.
Posted by: Steve Sharon at January 13, 2006 09:58 AM (9H6fQ)
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What's the big deal about their being sheepherders rather than cowboys? You guys keep saying they are sheepherders like that was some kind of bad thing. Fact is sheepherders lived as rugged and difficult life as any cowboy. You ever read anything about the Basque sheepherders of the American west? They were tough guys! Anyway, Jesus portrays himself as a shepherd too! The "Good Shepherd." So how can being a shepherd be a bad thing?
btw, it's a pretty good flick. Seems to me a lot of the people here are trashing it without even having seen it!
Posted by: ed jay at January 26, 2006 11:59 AM (11Y2B)
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Saw the movie. Liked it. Live in Salt
Lake City. Larry Miller and his Mormon
counterparts can't cram their religion
down our throats.
Posted by: Dennis at January 29, 2006 12:12 AM (6Dcjp)
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Saw the movie. Excellent acting. Story
not that believable.
Live in Salt Lake City. Larry Miller and
his Mormon counterparts can't force their
strange religion down the throats of all
Utahans.
Posted by: Dennis at January 29, 2006 12:18 AM (6Dcjp)
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Brokeback Mountain will not get my money. This movie was done because sissy hollywood fags like the idea of big tough butch fags pushing them around (somebody has to be the girl). I mean, look at the village people! So far this movie has grossed 66million dollars. Sounds like a lot. Compare it to the last star wars movie. 108million on its 1st weekend alone. Real Americans know what they want, and this liberal fag cowboy shit is not it. It is being force fed to us.
Posted by: bobby at February 15, 2006 10:26 AM (v53kJ)
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I grew around sheepherders.
I know a little bit about sheepherders. They are hygenically challenged. They spend months at a time out in the wild, not bathing and doing their business in the bushes. They hang around camp fires and get all smokey. Also, they tend to take on the aroma of their charges. The only thing that could be worse would be a pig farmer.
Kiss a sheepherder, not on your life, especially after I saw them castrate lambs with their teeth. Yetch!
And about knocking Mormans, if the religion works for you, fine, if not, maybe you ought to be a Methodist or something else.
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Pope: No Hope for Islam
Often in the pages of The Jawa Report we ponder the question of whether or not Islam can be reformed to meet modernity. Except for
very liberal Muslims, we have found little hope. For instance, not a single Islamic country has either full religious freedom or freedom of speech. While a Hindu is permitted to practice his faith privately in many Muslim countries, he may not do so publicly. Nor can the believing Buddhist try to convert a Muslim or criticize Islam in any way in any Muslim country.
So, can Islam be reformed? I have speculated in the past that such reform might come, but only at great cost and through external circumstances. But, I have remained open, if not skeptical, to the possibility that such a reformation is possible and has, in fact, already begun. Today I learn that I am not alone.
Via McQ who has a discussion going over at Q and O, I learn that the Pope is equally skeptical. Had I not been on vacation, I probably would have caught Hugh Hewitt's full interview, the transcripts of which can be found at Radioblogger:
the holy father, in his beautiful calm but clear way, said, well, there's a fundamental problem with that because, he said, in the Islamic tradition, God has given His word to Mohammed, but it's an eternal word. It's not Mohammed's word. It's there for eternity the way it is. There's no possibility of adapting it or interpreting it, whereas in Christianity, and Judaism, the dynamism's completely different, that God has worked through his creatures . And so it is not just the word of God, it's the word of Isaiah, not just the word of God, but the word of Mark. He's used his human creatures, and inspired them to speak his word to the world, and therefore by establishing a church in which he gives authority to his followers to carry on the tradition and interpret it, there's an inner logic to the Christian Bible, which permits it and requires it to be adapted and applied to new situations.
On the pro-reform side is the argument that Judaism was able to rid itself of such barbaric practices as the death penalty for blasphemy, so why can't Islam? However, it took the destruction of two Hebrew nations (Judah/Israel), domination by at least three empires, the destruction of at least two temples, two diasporas, and hundreds of years as a minority to do it. Not a pleasent prospect.
McQ has more on why this understanding is important in dealing with Iran.
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Reform may require a good old-fashioned internal bloodbath - preferably contained and in a vacuum. That however would be extremely difficult to achieve.
Posted by: hondo at January 11, 2006 11:43 AM (3aakz)
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Conquest, coupled with a choice between conversion and extermination, is the only option. Raw, brute force is the only thing that these primitive savages understand.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at January 11, 2006 12:05 PM (0yYS2)
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Good Lord Improbulus,
Please tell me you were joking when you wrote this:
"Conquest, coupled with a choice between conversion and extermination, is the only option."
If you truly meant that, then in a single statement you have demonstrated that you have far more in common with the terrorists than you do with decent freedom-loving Americans.
Our nation was not founded on the sort of sickness and hatred that you spew forth. I suspect there is hatred welling up inside you even as you read my post. Thank God people like you are in the twisted minority in our Great Nation.
The words you write are not those of a man endowed with the American spirit. Your words are those of a raw, brute, primitive savage.
Posted by: disgusted at January 11, 2006 04:56 PM (62xF8)
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Wah wah wah disgusted. I'm sorry but the world's problems can't be fixed with chamomile tea and soymilk enemas. The Romans knew how to put down a bunch of uppity savages, and we do too, we just don't have the will to do it anymore.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at January 11, 2006 05:33 PM (0yYS2)
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Wow, so you really do think Muslims should be forced to choose between conversion to Christianity or extermination. That's how you propose to fix the world's problems?
Do you voice this opinion out in public to flesh-and-blood humans, or just incognito via internet blogs? I ask as I bet there are people in the world, people you like and respect, who you'd be ashamed to voice this opinion to. I bet old W himself couldn't stomach your opinion on this matter; much less could Jesus.
Anyway, almost my bedtime - right after my chamomile tea and soymilk enema!
Posted by: disgusted at January 11, 2006 09:18 PM (62xF8)
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If you believe the Koran is the "uncreated Word of God" as Muslims do, then well-intentioned reformers of Islam have a serious problem.
And as Islam spreads, non-Muslims have an even greater problem. If we are seen as supporting moderate and liberal Islam, the extremists will use this to undermind the reformers and our efforts will backfire. If we do nothing, there is a serious risk the fundamentalists will win: historically they have won these internal disputes and it is not clear why the current conflict should be different.
This latter fact of Islamic history is reason enough to oppose the spread of "Muhammedism."
Posted by: Bras Cubas at January 12, 2006 07:25 AM (k8UoD)
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Well, it's one one thing to be opposed to the spread of "Muhammedism", and quite another thing to believe that Muslims should be given the choice between forced conversion to Christianity or being killed.
I'm concerned by the spread of any fundamentalist religion (Islamic or otherwise) that claims to be the only true religion - with eternal damnation for all outside that religion. Lot of religions like that out there.
IM's statement above mirrors the beliefs of Muslim extremists, and I think BC's post would be still be largely accurate if the words 'Koran' and 'Muslim' were replaced by 'Bible' and 'Fundamentalist Christian'. I see extremists on both sides essentially shouting at one another 'convert to our religion or we will kill you in the name of God!'. This to me is psychopathic insanity on both sides.
Posted by: disgusted at January 12, 2006 11:25 AM (62xF8)
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Radical Islam is a religion that teaches religious and ethnic genocide, beginning at a very young age. It is a brainwashing that cannot be fixed, not truly. These people do not have morals as we know them, nor do they seem to have anything which is "forbidden" to them if it furthers their cause.
They do not cherish life, children, women, freedom; and do not even consider anyone different than themselves to be human. They do not even cherish each other, or their own lives. Their goal is to die for allah and to eradicate anyone who does not believe in their brand Islam; Jews, Christians, even other Muslims who do not follow their lunacy in just the right way. They believe they will be rewarded for those efforts in the next life, but there doesn't seem to be much incentive for them here in this life.
This makes many of them very dangerous to the rest of the world, mainly because we cannot fathom this type of thinking. The worst criminals to deal with are those who have nothing to lose. Radical Islam is the epitome of this.
We are only beginning to understand that they are this way. I fail to get why some of us still want to try to "understand" them. WHY? They are beyond the understanding of civilised people. Furthermore, we do ourselves no favors by continuing to try. Being compassionate only give them the tools they need to harm more innocent people - they thrive on our sympathies, when they do not deserve either sympathy or compassion.
Posted by: Dee at January 12, 2006 01:07 PM (HUims)
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"I see extremists on both sides essentially shouting at one another "convert to our religion or we will kill you in the name of God".
I hear this kind of crap from lefties all the time and itÂ’s intellectually dishonest.
Maximus for example is an honest atheist. He does not believe in The Son of God, but can honestly differentiate between the Christian message and the message of Islam.
At my Church, we pray for the conversion of non believers and forgiveness for the sins that we all commit. I have not missed a mass for 15 years, and never, never have we prayed or advocated the death of anyone.
Disgusted, you are either a moron or just a liar when you say there is no difference. I suspect a little of both.
Posted by: Brad at January 12, 2006 01:51 PM (3OPZt)
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Thank you Brad. While I may hold a disfavorable opinion of religion in general, I'm wouldn't want to infringe on the rights of others to
peacefully practice their faith. Islam is not peaceful in any way. Never has been, never will be. Christitanity has had its problems, but at least it is compatible with civilization and can modernize, whereas islam is the embodiment of regression, and can never truly be reconciled with modern civilized life. So yes, we should bulldoze mosques, burn all the korans, and kill anyone who refuses to renounce islam.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at January 12, 2006 04:40 PM (0yYS2)
Posted by: jesusland joe at January 12, 2006 06:28 PM (rUyw4)
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Intellectually dishonest? You ought to take a look in the mirror Brad. Where do I say there is no difference between the Christian message and the message of Islam? You are putting words in my mouth (words I disagree with no less), unjustly calling me names (the hallmark of someone who is losing an argument), and distorting my point.
My point is that it's insane and psychopathic to believe that Muslims should be killed if they won't renounce Islam. Insofar as a person or group believes Muslims should be killed simply for remaining Muslim, they mirror the views of intolerant Islamic Fundamentalists.
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To defend my statement: "I see extremists on both sides essentially shouting at one another 'convert to our religion or we will kill you in name of God'".
...I doubt anyone on this blog would disagree that extremist Muslims are essentially saying that. Correct? ... And for the voice of an extremist on the other side, I give you the words of Maximus:
"Conquest, coupled with a choice between conversion and extermination, is the only option ... So yes, we should bulldoze mosques, burn all the korans, and kill anyone who refuses to renounce islam."
...while Maximus is an atheist, it was perfectly logical of me to think he was religious considering his statement about conversion above. And furthermore don't you Brad, a Christian, agree with these statements from Maximus? If so, I rest my case.
But if you still don't see my point Brad, I challenge you to present this discussion (including the words of Maximus) to a Man of the Cloth of your choice to ask his opinion on the matter. See if he agrees that we should "kill anyone who refuses to renounce Islam". I bet you won't though, as deep down you know Maximus' words are in direct conflict with your 15 years of righteous prayers and faithful Mass attendance. All the same, I urge you to be intellectually honest and find the courage to talk with a priest on this matter. If I am a just Liar and a Moron, what have you to loose, the priest will surely side with you and Maximus, yes? (By the way - do you recall the opinion of Pope John Paul, bless his soul, on US invasion of Iraq?)
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You either misinterpret or intentionally distort my words if you say they are against Christianity or sympathetic towards terrorists. I believe that America owes much of its inherent justice and decency to its Christian roots (Roman roots too for that matter, Maximus). I happen to be extremely thankful that I'm an American and not a citizen of a country such as Iran or Afghanistan. None of this is lost on me. This is precisely why I get so concerned when I see Americans and Christians with views that are so blatantly similar to those of the terrorists.
While millions of Muslims may believe Mohammad said to slaughter thine enemy, I understand that Christ said to love thine enemy. A pretty tall order for us common humans, of course (or should I not assume a literal intepretation of the Bible?), but you guys ought to at least try hating a little bit less (hating liberals, hating Muslims, etc.) - I think it's clouding your ability to think clearly. I mean Maximus, surely you must realize how wildly unpopular your statement would be among the vast majority of Americans? Imagine running for any elected office here in America on a platform of 'death to all Muslims who won't renounce their religion', you'd surely hand victory to your opponent! The inherent decency of the American people would see to it. Now on the other hand, if you were to take that platform to Iran, and substitute the words 'mosques', 'korans', and 'Islam' with 'churches', 'Bibles', and 'Christianity' - perhaps you'd find more support. Wouldn't you agree Brad? Iran is a different country from America, yes? Am I making myself clear enough on where I stand on the difference between Christianity and Fundamentalist Islam?
I'm really not sure why I'm pointing these things out to you guys. You are probably going to just give this a cursory read and then, without giving any honest thought to what I'm saying, jump on me with more name-calling and stereotypes. Think about it, what do you really know about the sort of person I am? All I've basically told you so far is that I'm an American who loves my country and respects freedom of religion, but is deeply concerned by the rising tide of agression and extremist fundamentalism I see in both America and abroad. Somehow from this you have inferred all these other things about me (leftist, liar, moron, etc..) - I think this is due to intellectual sloppiness on you part - as well as due to that hatred that prevents you from thinking clearly.
I should really leave well enough alone and not try to convince you of anything. I mean your views as they are now stand as a liability to the neoConservative and Right-wing Fundamentialist powers in this country which I am so skeptical of, so why not let it be? I guess because I'm not playing politics, I'm trying to be intellectually honest.
Posted by: disgusted at January 13, 2006 12:39 AM (Qa5EY)
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Disgusted, My Priest and Pope would never advocate the death of anyone who did not convert to Christianity. My faith supports the right to life (which I suspect you do not) in cases from the helpless unborn, Terri Scheivo to even a multiple murderer like Tookie. Get it now? We support life. Now, Church leadership and myself will always point out that eternal damnation lies ahead for all who do not convert.
Big Difference!
You are called like the rest of us sinners to repent and TRY to lead a better life based on the teachings of ChristÂ’s church.
BTW: How does a humanitarian lib like yourself feel about the 2 million or so Holy Innocents killed by the abortion mills each year. IÂ’ll bet youÂ’re a lot closer to Maximus than you would like to believe.
Reply to your statements:
“And furthermore don't you Brad, a Christian, agree with these statements from Maximus? If so, I rest my case”
Of course not. Maximus is not a Christian and you would have known that if you read the blog for a week or so. It is pretty scary to me that the average lib like you would read his words and assume he was a Christian.
“I urge you to be intellectually honest and find the courage to talk with a priest on this matter. If I am a just Liar and a Moron, what have you to loose, the priest will surely side with you and Maximus, yes? “
I guess you are just Ignorant of what the Catholic faith is. I invite you to attend Catholic mass every week for a month. You will not find any calls for death, only prayers for those who have not converted to change their ways. IÂ’ll pray for both you and Maximus this weekend.
And finally, be very careful not to misrepresent GodÂ’s Church.
Posted by: Brad at January 13, 2006 08:39 AM (BJYNn)
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Disgusting, don't put words in Brad's mouth, although as a lying moron liberal retard, it's the best you can do. I, and no other, am responsible for what I say, and you could at least have the balls and the honesty to not pick on someone who isn't in the fight.
You goddamn liberals all are so stupid I can't even begin to understand how you even manage to dress and feed yourselves, though from what I've seen, only a few of you have got the dressing part somewhat right. You unconditionally support mass murderers like Castro and bin Laden, and the terrorists they support, and you make no apologies for it, though you make plenty for them, yet you see no right for civilized people to defend themselves from such monsters. You have no problem with suicide bombers killing children and beheading teachers, but you do have a problem with American soldiers killing terrorists.
Fuck you, you all deserve to die.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at January 13, 2006 09:51 AM (0yYS2)
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Disgusted: You disgust me. Yes, it is past your bedtime. Which is probably about 6:00 PM. Write again when you get your head out of your diaper.
Posted by: greyrooster at January 13, 2006 09:04 PM (AWtJU)
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One who cannot tell the difference between Christianity today and Islam today is either stupid or sick.
Posted by: greyrooster at January 13, 2006 09:11 PM (AWtJU)
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Hello Mr. Greyrooster - you sounds like an imbecile telling me to get my head out of my diaper. Do you realize that? Toilet humor - oh good one. You got me now! What wit you possess.
Back on topic, you are either illiterate or too lazy to read my posts if you think I'm saying there is no difference between Christainity and Islam. In fact, I explicitly say quite the opposite. I would point out to you exactly where I say that, but you sound like the sort of fellow who could use some practice reading - so I challenge you to find it yourself.
Or, you could just go ahead attacking me baselessly and continue to sound like an irrational fool. Your choice.
Posted by: digusted at January 13, 2006 10:26 PM (Qa5EY)
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Brad and Maximus, thank you for doing such an excellent job of backing me up! As I said, I expected you to respond to my post with name calling and stereotypes that had little or nothing to do with what I was saying. By and large, that is what each of you did (especially Maximus).
BRAD
First of all, abortion deeply disturbs me, and I am against it (you may think I am lying but with Christ as my witness I am not). When my children come of age, my Facts of Life talk to them is going to begin with my opposition to abortion. It's not a wise debating tactic to go off topic and attack someone for holding views they have never mentioned holding, it can backfire. If you look, you'll see I tried to tell you that in my last post. You label me as a liberal humanist, I suppose because I am skeptical of fundamentalist religion and neoConservatives; but many others besides liberal humanists are skeptical of these things, and I don't consider myself a liberal humanist. Further, I am not sure of your view, but I don't consider Roman Catholicism to be a fundamentalist religion anyway. In fact, I send my children to Catholic school, and I have close friends and family that are Catholic.
To get back on topic, you were saying that you most definitely do not share Maximus' view that Muslims should be killed for not renouncing Islam. I commend you for that! Furthermore, I'm sorry if you took my line of reasoning to suggest that I thought the Catholic Church would agree with Maximus. I mostly certainly know that they would not! (In fact, if I recall correctly, the Pope even opposed the U.S. invasion of Iraq. Am I correct on this?) This is why I was so confused to see you attacking me and defending Maximus, this is precisely why I asked you how Catholic Clergy would feel about Maximus' words.
When I criticize Fundamentalist Christianity, I am by no means criticizing Christ. Did not Jesus, in his exemplary life, fiercely criticize certain Fundamentalist priests? In doing so, he most certainly was not criticizing God, he was criticizing the actions of men (although he was indeed accused of criticizing God). While I fail miserably to live up to the example of Jesus, I am trying. When a man advocates wholesale killing of Muslims simply for remaining Muslim, I believe the example of Jesus calls upon us to speak up in fierce opposition. If you accept such a man as your ally, I fear that something other than Christ has led you to that acceptance.
Finally, you mentioned I should be very careful not to misrepresent God's Church. Could you please point out to me where I may have done that? I am not disagreeing with you, after all I am just a human guilty of many sins, so I may very well have done so. While I do not believe a person is either Christian or eternally damned, I have great respect for Roman Catholicism (as I do for many Christian denominations), so I humbly ask you to explain to me where I may be misrepresenting God's Church. And thank you for praying for me!
MAXIMUS
By calling me a moron and a liar with respect to my posts, while simultaneously commending you, Brad has engaged himself. Don't you see that? Also, I did not put words in his mouth, I asked him if I was correct in my thinking that he agreed with your words (which he admirably responded to in the negative).
On the subject of putting words in people's mouths though, you have written an entire paragraph accusing me of holding views which I have never expressed and with which I very much disagree. Where do I say or infer that I "unconditionally support" Castro or Bin Laden? Where do I make a single apology for the terrorists? Where do I say I'm OK with suicide bombers killing children or beheading school teachers? And where do I say I have a problem with American soldiers killing terrorists? To the contrary, I'd be very pleased to see our soldiers hunt down Osama Bin Laden in Afghanistan or wherever he may be, taking him dead or alive - instead of seeing these brave heroic young men and women mired in the quagmire of Iraqi occupation. Just because I quote "Love Thine Enemy" does not mean I am opposed to defending ourselves. Just because I am immensely skeptical of the Bush Administration and their manner of handling the terrorist threat, that does NOT make me a terrorist sympathiser.
Your obscenities and criticisms have no relationship to the statements I am actually making. Can you not see that? You either lack the ability to read what I am writing, or you refuse to read my words, prefering instead to imagine that I am the eptiome of the sort of person you hate the most. I would challenge you to defend your accusations against me, but I'm convinced you lack either the ability or willingness to do so. I trust with each post you would only grow more irrational.
And finally sir, while you apparently wish me dead, I wish you a long and happy life (provided you don't use it to kill Muslims and Americans who happen to disagree with you). Good Bye and God Bless You.
Posted by: disgusted at January 13, 2006 10:33 PM (Qa5EY)
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Disgusted:
So, you send your kids to Catholic school. Are you a Catholic? Or are you Cafeteria Catholic, picking and choosing which commands GodÂ’s church you will obey?
Or, are you the worst of all things? A Rich bastard who has the money to send his kids to a Catholic school but tells his kids which rules count and which do not.
You do not tell your children that abortion is murder? You are the worst form of parent we have in the Catholic school system. A limo liberal who supports the public school system and all itÂ’s beliefs, but will not let his kids rub shoulders with the riff raff of society.
You make me sick. Abortion is a mortal sin and if you withhold that fact from your kids you sin as well.
I see you all day long at my kidÂ’s high school and grade school. You want the best of the GodÂ’s church but donÂ’t believe in it. You buy your way into our schools and pick and choose which instructions you will take from GodÂ’s church.
IÂ’ll take Maximus and Greyrooster any day over you. Honest men can be saved.
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WASHINGTON - Supreme Court nominee Samuel Alito came under aggressive questioning Wednesday from Democrats on the Senate Judiciary Committee who accused him of inconsistencies on issues ranging from voting rights to ethics to his membership in a conservative organization.
I would like to warn Senators Kennedy, Leahy, Biden, and Feinstein, who are conducting this interrogation, that they are subject to the McCain "torture" Amendment regarding "...PERSONS UNDER CUSTODY OR CONTROL OF THE UNITED STATES GOVERNMENT, to wit:
(a) IN GENERAL.--No individual in the custody or under the physical control of the United States Government, regardless of nationality or physical location, shall be subject to cruel, inhuman, or degrading treatment or punishment.
Don't you cross that line! I'll call Amnesty International!
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I wish someone would ask legal questions of his opinions on those who plageurize speeches, and others who drive of bridges leaving passengers to drown. Go ahead Biden and Kennedy, ask him those legal opinions.
Posted by: Steve Sharon at January 11, 2006 12:19 PM (e/IFH)
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I wish someone would ask legal questions of his opinions on those who plageurize speeches, and others who drive off bridges leaving passengers to drown. Go ahead Biden and Kennedy, ask him those legal opinions.
Posted by: Steve Sharon at January 11, 2006 12:19 PM (e/IFH)
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ACLU Joins Attempt to Bork Alito
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American Civil Liberties Union has officially announced its opposition to the nomination of Samuel Alito to the Supreme Court:
NEW YORK -- The American Civil Liberties Union announced today that it will oppose the nomination of Judge Samuel A. Alito, Jr. to replace Justice Sandra Day O'Connor on the United States Supreme Court.
This is undoubtedly a part of a larger
Democratic Party scheme. The ACLU hasn't opposed a Supreme Court nominee since Robert Bork.
The bad news for Dems and their co-conspirators at the ACLU is that Alito is turning the confirmation hearings into a wonkfest - a solid, masterful recitation of relevant law in response to antagonistic questioning, with no emotional fireworks to attract much in the way of mainstream media attention.
Some sort of publicity stunt will be necessary to pull off the Borking. I expect that sometime soon, a mainstream media accomplice will discover some bit of old news to try to drum up a lynch mob among the leftwing loonie fringe.
Thanks to Jay Stephenson of Stop the ACLU, who has more, including a petition supporting Alito's nomination.
Also posted at The Dread Pundit Bluto.
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When an anti-American, pro-terrorist organization comes out against you, that should just about cinch it. Alito is in. Hoorah!
Posted by: jesusland joe at January 11, 2006 10:19 AM (rUyw4)
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It won't work - the shrill hysterical aspect of it is so blantantly obvious. Watching the left blogs take that 10 yr old girl case and run with it implying he's a child molester is absurd and funny.
The left attack is sooo typical - only thing missing so far is "he steals candy from babies".
Posted by: hondo at January 11, 2006 10:26 AM (3aakz)
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Apparently the libtards think that people other than lawyers, dummocrats, and mass consumers of tinfoil believe anything the ACLU has to say. They don't realize that having these idiots on their side only helps the conservative cause. The irony can't be cut with a knife.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at January 11, 2006 11:08 AM (0yYS2)
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Saudi TV: Hate Christians, Parents, Children
Honour thy father and mother that thy days be long in the land which the Lord gives thee.
MEMRI:
Sheikh Abd Al-Aziz Fawzan Al-Fawzan, a professor of Islamic law at Al-ImamUniversity, who frequently appears on Saudi TV recently made anti-Christian comments on Saudi Al-Majd TV. He told his audience to hate anyone "who worships Christ, son of Mary" and added that "whoever says 'I don't hate him [i.e. a Christian]' is not a Muslim..."
"But if this person is an infidel - even if this person is my mother or father, God forbid, or my son or daughter - I must hate him, his heresy, and his defiance of Allah and His prophet. I must hate his abominable deeds. Moreover, this hatred must be positive hatred. It should make me feel compassion for him, and should make me guide and reform him."
Hat tip:
Dhimmi Watch
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Sheikh Fawzan squared can take his compassion, guidance and reform and shove them up his poop chute.
Posted by: Graeme at January 11, 2006 09:16 AM (qxvHt)
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Just imagine if all the A-Rabs were destroyed. We could pave the middle east and make it a new prison for the world's lower downs.
All those jihad camel jockeys talk big shit about killing the infidel. But why is it that they kill hundreds and hundreds of their own moronic people? And why are the rest of hajis too big of pussies to stand up for themselves and stop these dickless sissy fags from blowing themselves and the other 40 people who wanted to buy a falafel sandwich at the Farudi Sandwich stand in the mall up?
Posted by: 3shots4haji at January 11, 2006 09:34 AM (DnhEL)
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Positive hatred - laced with compassion. Hmmm....
Posted by: Oyster at January 11, 2006 09:37 AM (osKlJ)
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The Religion of Peace, my friends. What else needs to be said? And the Leftists think they can be nice to these people and everything will be alright. Just goes to show you that the Left is delusional.
Posted by: jesusland joe at January 11, 2006 10:00 AM (rUyw4)
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Maybe it is like Jesus (not JesuslandJoe, the other one) when Jesus said we had to hate our parents Matthew 10: 34-37 Or possibly it is a Zen Koan ? In any case we should all be thankful that muslims are not obligated to kill infidels.They are however obligated to kill apostates and that is part of the reason they like to kill each other so often. Infidels are obligated to pay a tax Jizia which I begrudgingly pay every time I fill up my motorcycle.
Posted by: john Ryan at January 11, 2006 10:14 AM (TcoRJ)
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JJ
This has always been an aspect of that religion for 1400 years. A segment of their populations takes it to heart - another segment uses it when it suits them - another segment (I believe the larger) is trapped in the middle.
We see the violent aspect now because a portion of it is directed outward for all to see at present. But the real violence is and has always been internalized against each other.
Note what said was aimed at muslims that don't share or show the hate - they're "faith" is suspect and faulty.
Oddly enough - when they act on the violence - the actual bulk is directed inward at fellow muslims.
This is one strange culture headed towards a massive internal confrontation - there are more than enough lil' mullahs eager to play the role of Pol Pot.
Posted by: hondo at January 11, 2006 10:21 AM (3aakz)
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John, did you give my regards to your mother?
Posted by: jesusland joe at January 11, 2006 10:32 AM (rUyw4)
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I am not a religious person by any means, but it is very clear to me now that this has come down to us-versus-them. Bring it.
Posted by: Jack's Smirking Revenge at January 11, 2006 11:01 AM (CtVG6)
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Every day brings only more evidence to support the extermination of the vermin we call muslims, and precious little evidence in their defence. I look forward to the day when they try to rise up in America, because then they will know the meaning of terror.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at January 11, 2006 11:05 AM (0yYS2)
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